All throughout the Bible we read many stories that proves God’s approval of rape and incest. Not only does God approve rape and incest, there are times when God actually had women raped. In this post it is my intention to point out several accounts where God approves rape and incest.
Let us begin with the most common story of Lot and his daughters. “One day the older daughter said to the younger, “Our father is old, and there is no man around here to give us children—as is the custom all over the earth. Let’s get our father to drink wine and then sleep with him and preserve our family line through our father.”That night they got their father to drink wine, and the older daughter went in and slept with him. He was not aware of it when she lay down or when she got up.The next day the older daughter said to the younger, “Last night I slept with my father. Let’s get him to drink wine again tonight, and you go in and sleep with him so we can preserve our family line through our father.” So they got their father to drink wine that night also, and the younger daughter went in and slept with him. Again he was not aware of it when she lay down or when she got up. So both of Lot’s daughters became pregnant by their father. (Genesis 19:31-36 NIV)
This love fest has taken place after the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah. If you remember from a previous post, two angels were staying with Lot and forced him and his family to leave before the destruction. Well, now the cities are completely destroyed, Lot’s wife has been turned to a pillar of salt for looking over her shoulder and all that’s left is Lot and his daughters. So, now the daughters, after not being able to find a man, decided that It would be a good idea to get dear ole dad drunker than cooter brown and take turns on him. That’s right ladies, the next time your dad is looking extra sexy, make him a stiff drink and enjoy the ride. When he asks what you are doing, tell him you are reliving the story of Lot and his daughters in the Bible. I’m sure he will be okay with it, after all it’s in the Bible so it must be okay, right?
If Lot’s daughters screwing their dad wasn’t bad enough we move on to God forcing a rape victim to marry her rapist. When I pointed this out to a Christian friend and he quickly said ” that’s not in the Bible!” After showing him these verses, If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay her father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives. (Deuteronomy 22: 28-29 NIV) he claimed that God can do anything he wants with his creation. I found it very interesting that he found it disturbing until he found out it was God, then all of a sudden it was okay.
It really bothers me that God would require a rape victim to marry her rapist and even more bothersome is the ransom (50 shekels of silver) the rapist must pay the father. Was that all his daughter was worth? Maybe it’s me, but if a man were to rape my daughter then have the balls to come and meet with me, he would be a dead rapist! But not in the Bible, as long as daddy get’s his money he didn’t care. He is essentially saying “she’s all yours, thank you for your business.” I find it amazing that no where in the scriptures do they ever defend the woman. No one ever thinks to ask the woman how she feels about it. She is just expected to lay down and take it (literally) from her rapist husband whom she is not allowed to divorce. How can women stand and defend this book is beyond my comprehension.
Next we read where God kills a rape victim for the horrible crime of not screaming for help. If a man happens to meet in a town a virgin pledged to be married and he sleeps with her, you shall take both of them to the gate of that town and stone them to death—the young woman because she was in a town and did not scream for help, and the man because he violated another man’s wife. You must purge the evil from among you (Deuteronomy 22: 23-24 NIV). Are you kidding me?? How can anyone call God a peaceful and loving God when he intentionally has a woman who has just gone through what is possibly the most horrific event in her life? Notice that the bible does not give us any details. Did the rapist hold his hand over her mouth to prevent her from screaming? Did the rapist tell her that he would kill her if she screamed? Also, what does being in town have to do with anything? If he raped her in the country, would they both live? This we will never know. But yet Christians will tell you God is love. I will tell you that if this is love, I’m not interested!
My Christian friends would tell me that I have taken everything out of context and I personally welcome their explanation of the above verses. So, if you are a Christian and happen to reading this post, I welcome any apologetic’s you may have concerning the above verses.
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When it says the woman did not scream for help it meant that she did not resist in Anyway. Therefore it is cheating.In this time period the woman only cares about getting married and having children. Therefore, properly marrying her and giving her children was the respectful thing to do after raping her.
How disgusting to have to marry a man that violates a women or child this way. Not to mention giving birth to his ugly DNA. Yuck!
I have come to the realization that the bible was written by and for sex offenders and the sperm receptacles that prostitute themselves to marry them.
I have come to the realization that the bible was written by and for sex offenders and to control the dingbat sperm receptacles that desperately prostitute themselves to marry them.
Hello
I will briefly try to answer your post from a Christian Theological perspective.
First I would like to establish a correct hermeneutic. All because something is recorded in the Bible, does not mean:- That it is
1/ Gods will (condoned by God)
2/True (for example in Psalm 14:1 it states “There is no God.) Context is important.
3/ Relating to 1 above – Setting a precedence (Gods will)
What we should understand with the Christian perspective is that the Bible is accurate, it records historical events accurately. (Warts and all).
We can therefore look at the events of Genesis 19:31-36 as a record of terrible sin and not a setting of a Godly precedence.
Deuteronomy 22: 28-29 is taken from the Law (Mosaic). This has to be understood within the historical-cultural context. Especially within the cultural concept of sex and marriage. (You are correct as you implied from the text, that women were viewed as property) This view is abhorrent to our Western Worldview, (very much similar to our view of slavery. Which you will no doubt observe in the Bible is never condemned, but accepted as part of the culture at the time).
God’s will during this period of history was not to create a revolution in social and cultural ethics, but rather to deal with a nomadic tribe within their cultural context. (which was set in the wider socia-context of the surrounding nations).
Deuteronomy 22: 23-24 is difficult to grasp from our modern position. But what is implied in the text is consent (not screaming). Verses 22-30 give us a view of the emphasis placed upon a Hebrew woman’s virginity as well as the standing of their women in that society. Her virginity is treated more as the property of her father or husband rather than her own. You will notice is verses 23 and 24 that a man betrothed to a woman is called her husband.
We then see some special conditions listed with regard to whom gets stoned in the case of adultery in verses 21-30. You will notice that stoning was the associated punishment for adultery in these cases when the woman was the wife or betrothed of another, but not otherwise. If the woman was not committed to another man, the penalty was not death unless she entered a marriage under the pretense of being a virgin and it was discovered not to be so.
We must be very careful when imposing modern ethics on ancient cultures.
I could write a full apologia, but alas I fear I would be spitting into the wind.
regards
Steve Sayles
As a teenager, I was kidnapped and raped by a so called married Christian man at gunpoint that roofed my mother’s house. I was told by clergy that I “needed two to three preferably males from the same church to witness the crime against humanity,” even though he had raped his preteen daughters, their mother’s best friend, another teenage girl, and hog tied/raped/sodomized his now ex wife. I was told because I said, “No please don’t do this to me and not the word HELP” I was demonized and shunned “for fornication but also possibly a slanderer” along with his other female victims. Churches are men’s clubs and are a smorgasbord of future silent victims because clergy will ALWAYS take the side of the sex offender. Check out courtrooms where children have been raped. The congregation members flock to the phallic symbol of rape.
one comment on the incest event , you don’t actually state how its approved? relating an evil event is not the same as endorsing it? I assume a Christian would say that an argument from silence yada yada?
Sorry to bust your bubble, but God did not approve of any rape or incest. No where in the bible does it say that God approved. The bible is a record of what happen, so it is a record of what was truly stated and in many cases not a statement of truth. It is funny how those who do not know the book will misunderstand it.
Having the ability to stop a terrible event from happening and refusing to do so is the same as giving your approval of it. I’m willing to be if you knew you could help someone being beaten or raped without you getting injured, you would do it. So would I, yet your God CONTINUES to watch as children are brutally raped and murdered and does NOTHING to stop it. Therefore, if you are willing to stop it, you are better than the God you worship.
The bible is not a record of what happened. You have no way of PROVING or KNOWING what you claim “actually” happened. If you have demonstrable evidence please provide it. BTW..if you are like anyone else who claims to have evidence, your personal experience IS NOT evidence. So, please provide any evidence you have. I would love to see it.
GLADLY…,FIRST OF ALL YOU WERE MADE IN GOD’S IMAGE AND LIKENESS BY GOD. GENESIS 1:26. YOUR FEELINGS ARE BUT A PORTION OF GOD’S FEELINGS. DISRESPECTING GOD WHOSE IMAGE AND LIKENESS YOU WERE MADE AFTER IS MORE OR LESS LOWERING YOUR OWN STANDARD.
SECONDLY, GOD HAS NOT REFUSED TO HELP ANYONE PEOPLE HAVE REFUSED TO LISTEN TO GOD RESULTING IN THE EVILS THAT YOU SEE TODAY.
THIRDLY, GOD DOES THINGS IN DIFFERENTLY. HIS THOUGHTS ARE HIGHER THAN YOUR THOUGHT AND HIS WAYS HIGHER THAN YOUR WAYS. GOD KNOWS EVERYTHING AND YOU DON’T. IF YOU DO KNOW EVERYTHING, WOULD YOU CARE TO EXPLAIN TO US WHY GOD KNEW THAT HE WOULD SUFFER TO SAVE YOU AND ME AND STILL DID NOT USE HIS POWERS TO AVOID THE SUFFERING THAT HE WAS GOING TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH?
CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHY JESUS CHRIST REFUSED TO USE HIS POWER TO SAVE HIMSELF FROM THE PAIN HE WAS GOING BEAR SO AS TO PAY THE ULTIMATE PRICE FOR YOUR FREEDOM FROM SIN SO AS TO BRING YOU SALVATION ?
GOD IS ALL-POWERFUL. HE IS ABLE TO MAKE PARADISE FOR HIMSELF….WHY HASN’T HE? WHY DID HE CHOOSE TO BE PATIENT WITH PEOPLE SUCH AS YOU AND I? MY POINT IS SIMPLE, YOU ARE SELFISHLY LOOKING AT THIS. YOU HAVE NOT CONSIDERED THAT GOD IS ALSO HURTING. JESUS CHRIST IS ALSO SUFFERING. JUST BECAUSE HE CAN DO SOMETHING ,DOES NOT MEAN HE HAS TO. HE IS GOD NOT YOUR SLAVE. HE IS THE CREATOR NOT THE CREATION. IF PEOPLE OBEYED GOD, WE WOULD NOT HAVE ANY PROBLEMS.
THE TEN COMMANDMENTS, THE FIRST FOUR WERE FOR GOD AND THE REST WERE FOR THE GOOD OF MANKIND. GOD KNOWS WHAT HE IS DOING AND HE IS GOOD SO BEFORE YOU RUN YOUR MOUTH ABOUT MY GOD BASED ON YOUR LIMITED UNDERSTANDING OF THINGS, WHY DON’T YOU ACTUALLY HAVE YOUR OWN WALK WITH JESUS CHRIST WHO LOVES YOU BY THE WAY, SO THAT WHEN YOU DO SPEAK, IT IS BASED ON YOUR PERSONAL EXPERIENCES WITH HIM AND NOT ON OTHER PEOPLE’S VIEWS AND RECORDINGS.
MAY GOD BLESS YOU WITH HIS LOVE, TRUTH AND DIVINE PRESENCE IN YOUR LIFE.
Thank you for your intelligent post.
This thank you is for No Religion Required.
Cheryl: “…God did not approve of any rape or incest. No where in the bible does it say that God approved.”
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According to the Bible God designed it so that Adam and Eve’s children would have to commit incest in order to beget the rest of us. Out of the infinite number of ways an “almighty” god could have made the human race, again, according to the Bible, God chose incest as the means by which their children would “be fruitful and multiply.”
Then: Genesis 1:31 “God saw all that he had made, and it was very good…”
If you think something is good then you “approve” of it.
Cheryl, there’s plenty of God approved murder, rape and pillage in the Bible, just do some Googling.
This is horrendous and Jews/Christians cannot dance around this. It’s eerie listening to Jews trying to rationalise these LAWS, not just simple texts, on rape. There’s absolutely nothing that justifies it. Christians are trying to redress the issue by making out that the Jewish civilisation from 1300BC-Jesus’s birth were deranged monkeys or something. In the history of civilisation, a time like 600BC is quite recent.
Muslims hold that the Old Testament has been corrupted by men, very strange men.
First off, let’s not attribute character to God.
The President of the United States is a real person. I cannot say what he would do in any situation unless I really knew him, and even then I cannot say because he is a different person than I am. Frankly, I can’t even say what I will do in any situation and I’m me! The same goes for every single one of us here.
So let’s step back. Saying that having the *ability* to prevent something evil from happening and *not preventing* that evil from happening= categorical evil is nonsense in the strictest form. I am assuming that none of us here have raised children, coached a team, or dealt with mentoring any persons other than being mentored or raised ourselves. There are plenty of times of teaching moments where a parent allows a child to do something and learn from the consequences. Parents let their children do their own homework…and if they refuse to do it they get bad grades. That’s an evil thing, for a child to skirt his/her responsibilities. But in learning the consequences of evil, the child grows and matures.
Some of us on here don’t even trust in the God of the Bible. According to this God, that is the root of all evil, but *thankfully* this God allows that freedom…unlike some other deities that come to mind. In fact, the God of the Bible is so strict in what qualifies as evil (especially in the character of Jesus) that all of us have done *something* evil today or yesterday…and God allowed it. Ever got angry for the wrong reasons, or let your anger control your behavior? Ever lusted, or were stingy with your money for the poor? Congratulations, you are just like I am and every other human on the planet. Join the club of sinners where every church is already a member.
I can’t address all of this right now, but honestly this rendering of Deuteronomy 22 is demonstrably erroneous. This is partly the fault of the translators’ own prejudices, but it is also part of faulty research and cutting off at Deuteronomy 22:24 and not reading the other verses (one of which directly asks the theoretical question posited, which may have been intentional by the author). You guys can just check my blog out for the answers from the original text about these sexual cases.
By the way, to correct the well-intended apologia above, women were not viewed as property in the Torah because they were women. Read Zelophehad’s daughters sometime, or even 1 Chronicles 7:24. Women inherited property and even built cities.
The blog post: https://thereasonerscorner.wordpress.com/2016/05/10/never-hide-from-critics/
God bless you guys too!
I will not try to defend any of these verses as they are all despicable.. However, I wouldn’t place the blame on Lot or God for the choices his daughters made as Lot did not ask for it and was a victim of rape, and God certainly didn’t tell Lot’s daughters to go in and sleep with their father. So this story I do not think is a credible story to use in your defense of the bible supporting incest and rape. But the others such as making a victim of rape live with her rapist is wrong.. but in those times had the man not been ordered to take her as his wife she would have been an outcast without a home.. so possible it was the lesser of two evils for she would have perished.. but stoning a rape victim with her rapist is bad.. but at least the rapist dies… I say stone the rapist and let the victim go free… the bible can be funny at times, can’t it?
As a mother to a bright 11 year old son and a severely autistic 14 year old daughter married to a violent pedophile I recently came to the realization no taboo against child rape and incest exists and the only taboo is speaking on it. All governments of this earth protect a father’s right to beat and rape his family. No laws exist to protect a woman’s human right to protect the children she grew in her belly gave birth to nursed at her breast. I’ve decided I don’t fit here on this 3rd planet from the sun because never would I hesitate to use deadly force to stop any man from raping my child or ANY child. I could tell you all about the countless beatings, rapes, incarcerations I’ve endured in recent years simply for exercising my “right” (ha ha ha) to freedom of speech but I don’t want to be tasteless – you may not all be super horror fans 😉
This site will not allow me to post, guess my realness isn’t considered “tasteful” enough. Get me off this planet, please!
Since Biblical records indicate that Adam and Eve were the first humans to be created by God, it follows logically that their children have to marry each other for the human race to multiply as commanded by God in Genesis 1.28. Marriage to close relatives went on as in the case of Abraham (Genesis 20.11-12) Isaac (Genesis 24.15) and Jacob (Genesis 29.9-28). As human race increased, God amended the rule (Leviticus 18.8-18 also Leviticus 20.11-21).
In the case of rape, the law was instituted by God to protect the victim of rape considering the cultural issues in those days. Women depended on their husbands for their livelihood and therefore unmarried women had problem regarding support. Also getting married was an honor to the woman. Considering the stigma on rape victims, such women had little chance of being married by another man. The rapist therefore was made to pay some penalty and marry the victim.
The last case of rape was instituted as a check to the case where a woman who engages in consensual extramarital sex uses rape to cover up her act. There has to be the proof, as it also applies these days, that the sexual act was indeed a rape. The screaming of the woman is the proof in this case.
people need to understand that life IS programmable DNA. That simple. All cells are programmed and are flawed in itself. In fact, the human brain works on brute force and is highly inefficient due to high levels of misfires, that would make a programmer cringe and get fired. The latter could be built-in for several reasons – one being it is virtually impossible to wipe out the entire human race through a single virus o disease – unlike animals which can all die at once.
Speaking of animals. Dogs, for instance, a sniffing all day – at everything. They simply cannot, not do it. They are programmed to do it, insomuch as Panda is programmed to munch on Bambu all day o an ant-eater for that matter. While we do enjoy a far higher level of hardware and software loaded into our DNA – to the point of being self-aware (like sci-fi movies whereas the robot becomes self-aware) it does not change that we a programmed to be what were are, and we don’t choose to be something else – anymore than a dog can choose not to sniff. I like women, i cannot choose to like men – any more than i can choose to like spinach. I can choose to force myself to sleep with men and choose to eat spinach, but it would be “unpleasant” and therefore against my own nature.
Essentially we are not that “free” – though one can argue that self-awareness can lead use to use the DNA “toolkit” that came built in. In that sense we are free… free to realize that an impatient person can “learn” to be patient but it wont occurr naturally, but require constant work to achieve the goal – of being patient.
Men are (generally) very competitive, aggressive and violent. Women are generally quite the opposite. Aside from studies i have read, i also have observed this in school playgrounds. Now people can “invent” attrubutes and re-write reality into something else – much like a mother who can’t accept that his good son is a cold-hearted killer, but he must have been “brainwashed” and had bad influences. It is simple rejecting reality and replacing it with “what would be “nice” and that is how it “should” be. The story of the scopion and the frog is not accidental entertainment.
The bible – new, old or other organized religions do not vary much – same as cultures. In the past century westerners have re-invented reality into what “ought to be” rather than “What IS”. Thus, i can understand that women feel “unrepresented” in scriptures thoughout tens of thoughsands of years, but the HARD truth is that women are designed to be what women have been doing for hundreds of thousands of years – as in most of the world’s regions today. Does this mean women are “inferiour” ? No, there is no such thing – it is a question of utility. Because the “utility” does not require strengh or high intellectural thinking does not mean women are “stupid” – hardly. Genes and DNA are important and a smart man and dumb women does not equal a smart male child.
Nevertheless, altough it may or will pain or rather outrage women, the truth of the matter that dispite the enormous gains of women in the workfoce, if none of these women worked, there would be no difference in our level of technology or achievements – even though women’s contributions cannot be igored, not only at the workplace. But nevertheless, there still would be a World Trade Center tower, F35 combat planes and iphones. If men would have ceased to work in 1960 amid and stay at home and have women to do it all, i wonder how that would pan out….. hummm.. would there be internet? PCs? 17TB SSD disk? or would be still driving a 1960 chevy impala and watching B&W TV? What level of sports? Motorcycle and car racing? What is a realistic and honest reply be?
Though, there are very capable women (than most men), but the fact is that the best of the best are men – even in cooking – and in any sports the differance is more notable – even when physical strengh is NOT an issue. The truth of that matter, is that we are what we are -even though sometimes WE personally dont like it. I personally dont like how women are treated in muslim countries, or often in “latino” countries. I could never see women as “property” but then, my DNA may be one of those flawed – or corrupt programming routines – a “defect” of sorts that are outside the (real) norm. The fact that many men pay for women – which i just find it unconfortable – is proof that well…. the bible reflects the human condition – like it or not. Westerners like to pretend and well — Hollywood and love of theatre is a hint.
Reality is often difficult to digest and i refuse to believe that i am replicating programmed celllular robot – but then that is what i and we are. Just that we dont want to know it – it spoils the childish fun. If only we could find a way to fix our programming rather than fight it, it would nice to get rid of bad habits
“Though, there are very capable women (than most men), but the fact is that the best of the best are men – even in cooking –”
Men are also the worst. They fill jails, are more easily adicted, the most poor, etc…
Also men are designed for hunting, Does that means that men are useles nowadays?
And you forgot the cultural factor, that can surpass the influence of what you call genetics. Maybe you want to read something about epigenetics and sociocultural behavior, cause your opinion is based on incomplete information, so you have been leaded to incorrect conclussions by yourself. And somethign about the social contract (Aristotle), so you stop thinking about women as breed mares “cause thats what they have been doing for ages”
GOD are two seperate beings GOD the mother and GOD the father GOD the mother gave birth to GOD the father she was a virgin when she gave birth for the first time Jesus Christ is not GOD the father nor GOD the mother. GOD the mother and GOD the father fell in love with eachother it eventually led to them having sex for the first time they were both virgins back then and some time later they had many healthy children together. Incest dosent have to be forced on one for example a mother and her son who she gave birth to could have sex
if they truly want to do it and if they really love eachother and its okay for an aunt to have sex with her nephew its at least okay in heaven.
Incest begets pedophilia and rape. = Psychology 1A. If you go to a state prison you will find that 99% of sex offenders grew up in a rotten family (as in the movie Deliverance) with no relational boundaries that were raped by dad, brothers, uncles, cousins, and grandpa. The only thing that stops this vampire disease is if you shoot the zombie between the eyes. It is not okay for family members to rape each other. It is psychologically F—ed up. Capisc? No wonder America has the second highest rate of sex offenders next to the number one which is Russia. Too many tax free religions invented in the last 100 years or so that promote this low class, tornado bait, trailer trash mentality.
I was raped by a father that used the story of Lot and his daughters as a tool to try and make the abuse right. But, the Bible is about hope. Do you really think your time is well spent trying to rob people of all they may have left? Or the only thing that helps them wake up in the morning?
We should not that what happened between Lot and her daughters does not constitute rape of his daughters as the women involved got their father drunk and slept we him. Technically, it was Lot who was raped by her daughters because if you get somebody drunk and sleep with him or her without the person being conscious or consenting to what he or she is doing then it is rape. What your father did and justified it by misapplying the scripture in totally unacceptable.
This is an amended version of my earlier comment because I have detected some typographical errors in the earlier comment. My comment should have read as follows: ” We should note that what happened between Lot and her daughters does not constitute rape of his daughters as the women involved got their father drunk and slept we him. Technically, it was Lot who was raped by her daughters because if you get somebody drunk and sleep with him or her without the person being conscious or consenting to what he or she is doing, then it is rape. What your father did and justified it by misapplying the scripture is totally wrong.”